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[MichellianeKwanjuez]

Originally Posted by RA5CViggie

I'm sure that Bush and Lay were pals the way Obama and Ayers are pals.

UNBELIEVABLE! Knowing that Obama is pals with Ayers the domestic terrorists along with his wife, yet you still voted for the man. -sigh-

[breannaw]

Originally Posted by MichellianeKwanjuez

UNBELIEVABLE! Knowing that Obama is pals with Ayers the domestic terrorists along with his wife, yet you still voted for the man. -sigh-

Scary isn't it that people can just overlook BO's associations and still vote for him.

[moxie]

Originally Posted by MichellianeKwanjuez

I agree, but you have to admit that the media bias is undeniable.

Yes, it is undeniable that one media source (Fox News) that reported on this story by including only the names of Democrats, was indeed showing bias.

Seriously, I don't know what you're referring to when you say "the media bias is undeniable."

As I said, "the media" is a term that represents thousands of sources.

[moxie]

Originally Posted by breannaw

get real. sheeeezzzzzzzzssh. how ridiculous. Nobama is the only one hanging out with terrorists. that would be laughable if it was not so foolish

Among the many Enron workers & investors who lost lifelong savings and/or pensions, I'm sure there are quite a few who would classify Bush's pal Ken Lay as a "domestic terrorist" and/or a "financial terrorist."

[breannaw]

Originally Posted by moxie

Among the many Enron workers & investors who lost lifelong savings and/or pensions, I'm sure there are quite a few who would classify Bush's pal Ken Lay as a "domestic terrorist" and/or a "financial terrorist."

Well, you may have a point there. Maybe about him being a financial terrorist.

[breannaw]

Originally Posted by moxie

Yes, it is undeniable that one media source (Fox News) that reported on this story by including only the names of Democrats, was indeed showing bias.

Seriously, I don't know what you're referring to when you say "the media bias is undeniable."

As I said, "the media" is a term that represents thousands of sources.

Said by someone who is part of he media. Get a grip moxie. The bias is sickening and is COMPLETELY UNDENIABLE. Fox does tend to lean a little more Conservative, but it is the ONLY news outlet that does. At least Fox has the gumption to have someone from each side represented on their shows, while discusing an issue. I highly doubt that the other networks do that.
That is so perposterous, good grief. you cannot honestly believe that. Why am i surprised though. MSNBC and CNN do not even try and hife their bias anymore. No wonder their numbers are tanking.

[moxie]

Actually, MSNBC's numbers have been rising, particularly for Rachel Maddow.
It's tough to measure overall, though, because thry don't program as many live hours as CNN or Fox.

And among the cable outlets, CNN routinely gets the highest ratings whenever there is a "breaking" news story, such as the plane crash in the Hudson.

[moxie]

Originally Posted by breannaw

Said by someone who is part of he media. Get a grip moxie. The bias is sickening and is COMPLETELY UNDENIABLE. Fox does tend to lean a little more Conservative, but it is the ONLY news outlet that does.

Fox is the ONLY media source that leans conservative?
How about the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, Newsmax.com, worldnetdaily.com, drudgereport.com, almost all of talk radio, etc., etc., etc.?

[breannaw]

Originally Posted by moxie

Fox is the ONLY media source that leans conservative?
How about the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, Newsmax.com, worldnetdaily.com, drudgereport.com, almost all of talk radio, etc., etc., etc.?

Well, I meant cable news networks. you're right about all the others you mentioned though.

I don't know about CNN having higher ratings on breaking news stories, but I'll take your word for it.

I seriously disagree with you about MSNBC and espicially Rachel Maddow, I have heard exactly the opposite, but then again I'm hearing that from right leaning news sources so maybe they are not exactly the most partisan source. I didn't get a good look at the ratings for cable news when they came out recently. I usually see them on the Drudgereport, but was too busy at the time to pay attention.

[MichellianeKwanjuez]

Originally Posted by moxie

Fox is the ONLY media source that leans conservative?
How about the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, Newsmax.com, worldnetdaily.com, drudgereport.com, almost all of talk radio, etc., etc., etc.?

Yes, but these media sources do not try to look like they're unbiased like CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, Time, Newsweek, CNN, and so many others do when they are totally leaning to the left. At least WSJ and Washington Times have fair share of liberal writers working for them. NYT fired Bill Kristol recently for being too conservative and now they just have one moderate conservative journalist working for them.

[moxie]

Originally Posted by MichellianeKwanjuez

Yes, but these media sources do not try to look like they're unbiased like CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, Time, Newsweek, CNN, and so many others do when they are totally leaning to the left.

As Breannaw has noted, Fox leans conservative.

The same Fox that bills itself as "Fair and Balanced."

Edited to add:
As for the New York Times & Kristol: He was hired for one year (2008) & they declined to renew his contract for 2009. The paper's lineup of columnists includes conservative David Brooks (also of the conservative magazine the Weekly Standard), who has certainly not been moderate in his criticism of Obama.

It should be noted that for the New York Times and other major daily papers,
the editorial-page staff is completely separate from the news-gathering staff.
And the content of editorial pages is always clearly labeled as "opinion" (alerting the reader to the probability that the writer has a personal bias), to set it apart from the rest of the paper (where there obviously should be a diligent effort to provide balanced coverage).

[MichellianeKwanjuez]

Originally Posted by moxie

Among the many Enron workers & investors who lost lifelong savings and/or pensions, I'm sure there are quite a few who would classify Bush's pal Ken Lay as a "domestic terrorist" and/or a "financial terrorist."

William Ayers and his friends blew up buildings! It's a miracle people escaped death.

I can't believe you are defending the terrorist and Obama's association with him by denigrating Bush's relationship with Lay that is not even remotely comparable to that of the Obama's with Ayers. Lay's corruption was revealed in 2004 and Bush was already a president. Also, Bush did not pal around with him knowing Lay was a crook!

[moxie]

I did not defend Ayers. I said that Lay (a Bush pal) also could be considered a domestic terrorist.

Also, we have no way of knowing if Bush knew that Lay was a crook.

[MichellianeKwanjuez]

Originally Posted by moxie

Also, we have no way of knowing if Bush knew that Lay was a crook.

There is something called character and you could judge a man by the friends he hangs around with. GWB did not have as many seriously questionable associations as BO did i.e. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, ACORN, Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae, etc...

[lightsout]

Only the editorial page of The Wall Street Jounral features conservative opinion.
The rest of it is actually pretty liberal.

Calling David Brooks or David Frum "conservative" is a complete joke. They're belt way NY/DC "intellectuals." I'd lump Bill Kristol in with them too.

Victor David Hansen, Thomas Sowell and Mark Steyn always have good pieces to read though. Especially Sowell.

The reason Fox has the highest ratings is because that's the only place people that lean right can go for TV news. The left has abc, nbc, cbs, CNN, MSNBC. So while liberals or left leaning people are divided between those networks, all the people on the right are all turning into Fox. There's no other option.

[moxie]

Fox often has the highest CABLE ratings, but does not have the highest ratings among ALL networks. That would be NBC, ABC & CBS. A switch came on election night: Though Fox did beat CBS on election night, CNN (lagging behind Fox on most nights) did even better and beat them both.

[MichellianeKwanjuez]

Originally Posted by lightsout

Only the editorial page of The Wall Street Jounral features conservative opinion.
The rest of it is actually pretty liberal.

Calling David Brooks or David Frum "conservative" is a complete joke. They're belt way NY/DC "intellectuals." I'd lump Bill Kristol in with them too.

I suppose you're right, but these people can't be labeled as liberals either.

Victor David Hansen, Thomas Sowell and Mark Steyn always have good pieces to read though. Especially Sowell.

The reason Fox has the highest ratings is because that's the only place people that lean right can go for TV news. The left has abc, nbc, cbs, CNN, MSNBC. So while liberals or left leaning people are divided between those networks, all the people on the right are all turning into Fox. There's no other option.

I totally agree. Thanks, lightsout.

[breannaw]

Originally Posted by MichellianeKwanjuez

There is something called character and you could judge a man by the friends he hangs around with. GWB did not have as many seriously questionable associations as BO did i.e. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, ACORN, Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae, etc...

[breannaw]

Originally Posted by MichellianeKwanjuez

I suppose you're right, but these people can't be labeled as liberals either.



I totally agree. Thanks, lightsout.

Me too, also thanks lightsout. Thomas Sowell is one of my favorite writers. I saw him on Fox recently. He sure has aged. I hope he is not sick or something. I know we all age, but he didn't look well to me.

[Solidarity]

Wow -- I would have never thought having someone put a bomb in my house as being the same as someone stealing my wallet or causing me to lose my job.

Never would have thought having someone try to kill me as the same as someone trying to rob me blind.

But yea - I could see how they are the same...... NOT!!!

[moxie]

Originally Posted by MichellianeKwanjuez

There is something called character and you could judge a man by the friends he hangs around with. GWB did not have as many seriously questionable associations as BO did i.e. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, ACORN, Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae, etc...

You do know that Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae aren't people, correct?

[Solidarity]

Yes - when one is losing an argument - one should imply that the other poster is an idiot - and doesn't know that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae aren't people.

You do know that Barack Obama is not God, correct?

[breannaw]

Another great post. Someone should tell Obama that. He is so arrogant, I think he believes he is a god or the messiah.

[moxie]

Originally Posted by Solidarity

Yes - when one is losing an argument - one should imply that the other poster is an idiot - and doesn't know that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae aren't people.

Well, the post did refer to "friends" & then included Fannie & Freddie in a list that also included real people ... So it did make me wonder just how Obama could have been "palling around" with Fannie & Freddie.

But, no, I did not imply that the other poster was an idiot. I simply asked a question.

[Solidarity]

The question reads in a condescending manner.
You do know what condescending means, correct?

Madoff should not be associated with Obama or the democrats only.

Madoff screwed over many people -- based on articles of who they were -- he didn't play "political party" favorites.

He is one of those rare people who transcends parties!