Sasha's Music Revealed

[shadymc]

www.usfigureskating.org/A...sp?id=2265 (http://www.usfigureskating.org/AthleteBio.asp?id=2265)

Scroll down. good choice for her. I wonder if they will remove it, as Sasha has not announced it herself yet.

[skatingfan5]

I was just going to say that it looked like the USFS had "let the cat out of the bag" as Sasha hadn't posted her journal announcement yet -- perhaps it's just a slight timing issue and her journal will be later today. I guess I'm not surprised by her choice, especially after hearing about the music re-edit that was used recently and with different choreo. If she skates well, it should get her very high PCS marks; actually, it probably will garner very high PCS scores no matter what. It's music that she likes and is familiar with, so she should do well with it.

[GMAN]

What??? Sasha is skating to classic music? Since when?

Being real now, I loved it when Sasha skated to R&J as an exhibition (except she did it for 3 years...) and I think this program could be awesome...she knows the music, she has a passion for it...smart choice!

[Fumbilicious]

Thats a great choice of music for Sasha to skate to. I really liked her R&J exhibition from a couple of years back.

[fkriesler]

oh yawn, I hope it is not the same R and J music again

[scheherazade]

Surprise! :lol

[kwanluv]

lol scheherazade ;)

For Sasha, this is a good choice.
Her R&J exhibition (when clean) was my favorite number of hers.

[mr pru]

When Sasha is "on"-she could skate to Jingle Bells and do it justice.

[AJ Skatefan]

If she uses the same R&J music as her exhibition, it's not classical music. It's from the 1960's. Somone on Sashafans said that it was "classical and amazing."

[skatingfan5]

Perhaps to someone who was born in the 1990's, something that was composed in the 1960's IS "classical". ;)

[Anahi]

I KNEW IT, I KNEW IT!!! :D :D :D . I like the idea of Sasha skating to R&J, can't wait for October, yay.

[kwanette]

Is it from the film or the classical music?

[lavender]

Somone on Sashafans said that it was "classical and amazing."

They've already seen the program?

[GardenKitty]

She skated an exhibition in the LA area a few weeks ago and used the Rota version but with new choreography and I think some new music cuts. It may have been a work in progress at that point, or watered down for an exhibition, so it's not clear how much like her eventual Free Skate it will be.

She's supposed to skate it at Sun Valley this weekend.

[Crizzy]

I love her R&J but I was so hoping she'll venture out on a new type of music, preferably something unheard. I mean she's been skating to the same music 3 years in a row and I don't know how her new choreographer could out best Tatiana's beautiful version.

[CordeliaFitzgrld]

Perhaps to someone who was born in the 1990's, something that was composed in the 1960's IS "classical"

ROTFL, I was thinking nearly the same thing; Any music without words or singing is "classical." tee hee....


Anyhoo, I think this will be a good program for her. Beautiful but redundant. Anyone want that one as a siggy? J/K:hat

[nymkfan51]

While her R&J exhibition program was lovely, it had what ... one or 2 jumps in it? It was an amazing collection of all her WOW moves, but I doubt there will be much resemblance to it once you add 7 jumping passes.

[iloveskating]

yawn. I am one who didn't really care for her exhibition. I didn't like the grey dress with the round thingies on it at all. It sounds corny, but if I don't like the dress, it is really hard for me to like the program.

I don't see how she can call R&J a "completely new" number. :eek

I doubt the USFS scooped her on the announcement. She had to give them the info, so as said above, I would expect an update on her personal site today or tomorrow. She is skating to it Sat at SV & said she would announce her FS this week.

[Lucy]

They've already seen the program?
Earlier in the summer a poster on her forum (who trains at Sasha's rink) reported this. This was the only information she would reveal about the LP in order to keep Sasha's secrecy.

[yankgrl46]

This was a very good program for her over the years. My personal favorite as well.

Something weird happens when you show this movie to 120 9th graders, 5 times a day for a week. You walk out humming and it will not leave your head. I think it is a sure bet that it will be stuck in my head for another year, especially with Sasha using it again.

[magicpixie]

I thought R+J was nice when she first skated at the Sears Open, since then...meh.

I suppose it's a smart choice, but it's kind of annoying that a skater who could possibly do very interesting movement to different music, always skates to the same stuff. zzzzzz...

[JaneC]

I think the Rota version of R&J suits Sasha very well. I hope she'll have greater success with her LP this year given she's already worked with the music for so many years.

Jane

[MagdalenaM]

I love this music, and wouldn't be disappointed to see anyone skate to it. However, I certainly hope that when they create the music edit they find a way to include a faster paced piece somewhere in the program. I don't think that skating around to that theme for 4 minutes would work very well in competition.

Yankgrl46, this is sort of off topic, but I just have to share. When I was in the 9th grade, our English teacher was kind enough to show us the movie after we finished studying the play. I think we got a little more than halfway through the video on first day. The next day, we came to class expecting to see the rest, however it wasn't to be. I turns out that someone (we never found out who) had gone home the night before and told their parents about the nudity in the film (the wedding night scene). The parents apparently flipped out, called the school, and raised a bit of hell with the administrators. As far as I know, Zeferelli's Romeo and Juliet has been banned from the school ever since.

[Crizzy]

Oh I have no doubt with the familiarity of the music, Sasha just might have success with this, HOWEVER, lest we forget TT choreographed the original many of us love and admire. I really don't know what magic Morosov could produce when the original magic was Tatiana.

[Amber11]

This is excellent because she can pace herself and hopefully have enough wind to make it through the long program with all her jumps. Sasha's problem is stamina. Robin figured that out when she changed her long program. Robin put more stroking and slowed it down some. With R and J, this is very slow tempo, therefore, she should be able to nail this and have energy left to smile at the end. Wise choice. Let's hope it works. Also, she can put a lot of her signature moves in and really sell it. Wise, wise choice.

[honey827]

Nothing surprising|I . Sasha's sp is good and was well received in Moscow and her lp music suits her even though I am sick of it.

[Eldredgefan2001]

Maybe her long is being choreographed by Marina and Igor. Anyway, I've always wanted to see this exhibition as an LP, and I know that if Sasha is on, she will WOW the audience like crazy! Can't wait to see the new version. :D


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[THIZfiyaVIETgrl]

Maybe her long is being choreographed by Marina and Igor. Anyway, I've always wanted to see this exhibition as an LP, and I know that if Sasha is on, she will WOW the audience like crazy! Can't wait to see the new version.

Nope. That was her Nutcracker LP from last season. Her LP this year is definitely Morosov...Sasha said so in one of her journal entries without revealing the music.

[tinuviellovesMK]

R&J is nice, but for such a flexible girl she sure doesn't like streatching herself. This will be the fourth time she's used Dark eyes and the fourth time she's used R&J. And the worst of it is that the theme for R&J repeats and repeats and repeats....

OK, Rant over.

The program will be nice if and only if she is all the way there and not on autopilot. R&J was magnificent in 2003 but grew stale.

[THIZfiyaVIETgrl]

And the worst of it is that the theme for R&J repeats and repeats and repeats....

Just like her Nutcracker LP last season.

[Krista]

I think Sasha will do fine with this music. At least she's comfortable with it, so maybe it will help her relax some and do better. Overall I think the music suits her. Ill be interested to see what kind of dress she chooses for it.

[Kayko318]

how did i know she was going to use R & J? huh o well good choice it's pretty, emotional, and nice

[Eeyora]

Good choice! I agree it should be interesting to see what she does withy the choreography. We must remember She has to include more jumps in the program taking out a lot of the choreography. We may see several versions of this program like we did with Carmen. But don't forget with Sasha it's a matter of landing the jumps.

[candygirl559]

I wasn't impressed with LP from last year when Marina Zoueva choreographed it. There was just no emotion in her program and I'm really into emotion. And in the report, it says that Zoueva and Shpilband are choreographing her LP. If her LP from last year is any indication for this year, I probably won't be impressed with it.

[THIZfiyaVIETgrl]

And in the report, it says that Zoueva and Shpilband are choreographing her LP. If her LP from last year is any indication for this year, I probably won't be impressed with it.

Like I said before, Nikolai Morosov is the choreographer for her LP this year.

According to www.sashacohen.com/journal.shtml (http://www.sashacohen.com/journal.shtml)

Be on the lookout the week leading up to my Sun Valley exhibition for a detailed review of my free skate music, how it was selected and how hard Nikoli and I worked to put together a very hard program and still tell a beautiful story.

[candygirl559]

I guess the USFSA article got it wrong then. My bad, I stand corrected. I like her programs better with Morozov than with Zoueva, so I'll have to wait and see in October.

I still stand by the statement that she has no emotion in her skating.

[TarotX]

I think Sasha has loads of emotion-when she's relaxed. It's very rare that it's happened though. It's the real reason people say Sasha is a practice skater-she can really emote when she doesn't feel she has to be perfect. It's the reason why I think "R&J" and "Dark eyes" are the best possible choice for her. She knows the music (even though it's supposedly slightly different) and that should lend her a little comfort.

:CH

[Rebecca]

I have always said this music would have been perfect for a competitive piece and was wasted for an exhibition. I can't wait to see it & can't wait to see her new dress!

[lavender]

R&J is nice, but for such a flexible girl she sure doesn't like streatching herself. This will be the fourth time she's used Dark eyes and the fourth time she's used R&J. And the worst of it is that the theme for R&J repeats and repeats and repeats....

I guess this is what Robin meant.

Anyway she will probably be more relaxed with this piece since it's familiar. I'm sure NM is working hard to make her program extra nice for various reasons.

[gatzbee]

hmm not surprised. wonder what exactly are the new cuts. and also, wasn't NM still w/ team TT-SC when the original R&J was choreographed? i think NM would be good for sasha, so im actually looking fwd to her LP, except for the fact that she's done this music like 10 cuzillion times. but if she can breathe more life into this program than she did for Nutcracker it should be good i guess...

[yankgrl46]

I am so sorry you never got to finish the movie. Normally when the nudity scene comes on I just jumpm in front of the tv and sing and dance to distarct them. I also joked that I would fast forward it, but feel free to peak. Thanks for the laugh :)

[patsue]

I think I just need my memory refreshed--has Sasha ever had a season where she has used two new pieces of music for her sp and fs and exhibition since she joined the senior ladies?

[candygirl559]

Her first 4 seasons.

www.sashacohen.com/programs.shtml (http://www.sashacohen.com/programs.shtml)

[kwanrifffic]

Did Tarasova have any help when putting together Sasha's Romeo and Juliet like Morosov perhaps? The only reason I'm asking is because I found both Sasha and Shizuka's versions of Romeo and Juliet to be worlds apart. I really hated Shizuka's version last season it was not memorable or special. I liked Sasha's verson much better and that's why I find it astounding that the same person chorographed both programs. Tarasova is very talented but last year's Romeo and Juliet was not a highlight of the season.
No offense to those who liked Shizuka's Romeo and Juliet.

[gatzbee]

well those 2 were 2 completely diff. cuts of music... and yes, i'd have to admit i didn't enjoy shiz's R&J... but then again i also felt her choreo. wasn't really playing to HER exactly. it was as if they were trying to mold her into somebody else. also i thought i read somewhere in these boards recently that it may have been more platov's work on that program...?

[lavender]

Yeah...shikuza's cut of music wasn't so moving to me. I really liked Sasha's R & J in the beginning but then at times I could have sworn she was making up moves to it as time moved along. Anyway when TT and Sasha came up with that program I just knew they would have a successful pairing and put out unbelievable programs....that ended.

[moxie]

I am so sorry you never got to finish the movie. Normally when the nudity scene comes on I just jumpm in front of the tv and sing and dance to distarct them.

And it's such a small part of the movie ...

I would think that parents would be more worried about their kids trying to imitate the sword-fighting scenes. But as we know, a flash of a breast is so much more dangerous than blood and violence.:\

[aaronts]

I would think that parents would be more worried about their kids trying to imitate the sword-fighting scenes. But as we know, a flash of a breast is so much more dangerous than blood and violence.
Moxie you are very wise. a song & dance probably only draws more attention to something that is quite natural to begin w. while i have no desire to hit a nude beach, tasteful nudity is as natural as natural gets. actually, the US is still pretty uptight about it in general & w this country the way it's been for a while now, i don't see that changing soon. oh well.....

anyway, i don't like R&J on Sasha, at least by way of what i've seen her do w it. i find the presentation cold & w/o sincerity. Weir's last 2 LPs were rather cold IMO but his warmth comes from an honesty in his skating. Sasha just seems like she's going thru the "pretty" motions. while everything looks stunning, she needs to loosen up a bit. unless she can relate this program to something personal to her, i doubt we'll be all that impressed w her presentation.

i think this music choice also says a lot about what we've heard of Sasha thru Robin: no desire to change or challenge oneself in skating. a quad may be fine for Ando to rack up points but if Sasha would stop falling on jumps & out of spins, she'd be a gold contender always~

[olympic]

I honestly think that Sasha's "insincerity" on the ice stems from her own happiness.

It seemed she grew more "sullen" on the ice with TT as time passed. The choreography and the moves were there, but I think some hidden problems kept her from enjoying what she was doing.

It grew worse with Wagner. Sasha looked like she didn't want anything to do with her

Personally, what I think happened was her own mother's meddling in her skating life. Didn't Galina Cohen disagree with TT on quite a few skating issues? Didn't Galina push Sasha and Robin together??

If you look at her with John Nicks, she looks more relaxed and "happy" on the ice. I rewatched her 2002 Nats LP and she looked great/better than normal. Her 2005 worlds performance was a nice surprise too. He's good for her.

But I agree with all those who posted to say that Sasha needs to get all her jumping passes down. Just a fiery 7 clean triple performance is fine with me.

[mzheng]

Personally, what I think happened was her own mother's meddling in her skating life. Didn't Galina Cohen disagree with TT on quite a few skating issues? Didn't Galina push Sasha and Robin together??

Well, I'd say give some credit to Mrs. Cohen. If you are a parent of skater, IMO, you'd get yourselv involve very much so. She(Mrs. Cohen) was seen help Sasha with her jump practice.

Mr. Nick is good for Sasha (I've said this when she first switched to him last season, and I say again here), but afterall he is over 80 years old, he can't always be there with Sasha, Mrs Cohen fill the hole nicely. Things (Mrs. Cohen involved in Sasha's skating) not working with other coaches (though just rumors about TT and Robin) may just work 'PERFECTLY' with Nick.

[skatingfan5]

John Nicks is certainly "getting up there" in years, but he still has a few years to go to reach 80 (he was born in 1929) -- he's definitely not over 80! Here's some biographical info (http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/john_jennifer_nicks_history.htm) about him (and a great picture of him skating with this sister more than 50 years ago). And I agree that he seems to be a good coach for Sasha.

[mzheng]

Sorry about Mr. Nick's bio. I usually don't bother with checking out each ones bio mentioned in my post (that would complete destroy my posting desire. :b ). Thanks to point out anyway.

[skatingfan5]

I don't usually check out bios before posting -- but I do if I'm about to make a correction to somebody else's post. I was pretty sure that John Nicks was in his mid-late 70's because I seemed to remember that he was 72 or so around SLC. Checking out the bio had the extra bonus of that picture. :)

[fkriesler]

If you look at her with John Nicks, she looks more relaxed and "happy" on the ice

LOL, of course Nickcs allows her to do whatever she wants. TT and Wagner who are used to coach Olympic Gold Medalists have the reasonable expectations that their skaters would at least try to listen to them from time to time

[TarotX]

fkriesler John Nick's coached many more champions then Wagner. He himself was a champion as well. I don't see why you had to make the smart-*** comment about Nicks in the first place. I'm sorry if I sound angry but I love John Nicks as a coach!!

And Sasha is the skater so she has to do what she feels best for herself. Even if it's wrong.

:RB

[olympic]

fkriesler,

You referenced my post, so I'll respond:

Do you really know the relationship between Sasha and John Nicks right now in 2005, that you can make such a comment? If she is doing "whatever she wants" as you stated, then it certainly is working: She came back from injury to win a Silver at worlds.

[fkriesler]

Fact is TT and Robin are olympic gold medalist calibre coaches, and they do demand their students to listen to them. I like Nicks too, so there is no smart *** comment about him. He coached many champions, but TT and Wagner coached OGM

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Well you are talking world silver, and I am talking about Olympic medal, preferrably Olympic gold. Didn't Tara won an OGM with a hip injury, and Mk won olympic silver after a toe injury. It is not unusual for athletes to perform well after an injury

[MKGrace]

fkriesler -

I realize we're all entitled to our opinions but this is ridiculous. I don't know what your beef is with Sasha but your posts about her are seething with contempt to the point that you have no objectivity whatsoever to give her credit where it's due. Winning back-to-back World medals is a big accomplishment, especially considering she was injured and didn't compete last fall. Plus Sasha came out of nowhere and finished 4th at the Olympics which was her first major world-level event --what a way to make your debut --at the Olympics!! :eek And she managed that after disappearing for a year.

So are you saying only Olympic medalists count? What about Jill Trenary? Yuka Sato? Maria Butyrskaya?

[TarotX]

fkriesler are you saying that Wagner is a better coach then Nicks and Frank Carroll? That's just wrong!!

[MKGrace]

I like Nicks too, so there is no smart *** comment about him. He coached many champions, but TT and Wagner coached OGMSo in your estimation Frank Carroll is a hack. :rolleyes

[MKGrace]

TarotX - Great minds think alike. :smokin 8)

[MKGrace]

and fkriesler backpedals with the edits...

[fkriesler]

I never said Wagner is greater than Carrol, but she has coached an OGM. I onlu said oly gold medalists coaches have certain expectation from their skaters.

[fkriesler]

MK grace you never use edits???

[MKGrace]

Only for typos, factual errors and such. I stand by my posts rather than backpedaling and softening them up after others respond.

[fkriesler]

So in your estimation Frank Carroll is a hack.

Don't put words in my mouth, I said Oly gold medalist coaches have high expectations from their students

[fkriesler]

MKgrace respond all you want just don't put words in my mouth

[MKGrace]

MKgrace respond all you want just don't put words in my mouth Agreed.

[iloveskating]

How did Frank get dragged into this?! :eek

On the previous topic, let's hope Sasha doesn't pull a Janet Jackson!:lol
But as we know, a flash of a breast is so much more dangerous than blood and violence.
Sorry, couldn't resist...:rollin

[FraggleRock]

Mr. Nicks has made comments in the past, I'm referring to when he previously coached Sasha, about Sasha's strong spirit and being overruled when it came down to certain decisions,but he has also made comments now about his and Sasha's new realtionship and it has been full of good points about her maturity and I can even quote him saying in the fluff peice during Nationals this year about her coaching change "She has done what i've asked her to...".

I highly doubt that John Nicks, being a champion himself, expects anything less than any other coach.

[lavender]

I just don't see Wagner on the same level as Frank and Nicks even though Sarah has OGM. This is just my opinion.

[mzheng]

I just don't see Wagner on the same level as Frank and Nicks even though Sarah has OGM. This is just my opinion.

Not just your opinion, mine as well. :b

Saying Wagner on the same level as Frank and Nicks just as saying Sarah is a better skater than MK, IS or even SA or SC. even though Sarah has OGM.

[Krista]

I don't see Wagner on the same level as Carroll or Nicks either. Although she hasn't been coaching for near as long as them yet. It still remains to be seen if she'll achieve their status.

[tongueincheek]

I just don't see Wagner on the same level as Frank and Nicks even though Sarah has OGM. This is just my opinion. Mine too. Wagner got lucky. Sarah performed extremely well while other skaters with far better technique faltered. I don't want to take away from Sarah's talent, but I don't think she was well trained at all, she just got lucky. Sarah had many technique flaws that Wagner either did not know how to correct or did not take the time to correct.

While Carroll may not have an Olympic gold medalist, his skaters are far better trained, with much better technique than Sarah had in 2002. Linda may not have won gold in 1980 (politics), but she changed the sport. She was the first woman to make multiple triple jumps de rigueur. Michelle has just about the best all around skating technique I've ever seen. John Nicks has trained numerous important skaters like Tiffany Chin, Tai and Randy, Meno and Sand, sheesh the list is so extensive I cannot even begin to name them all. Maybe not Olympic gold medalists due to bad luck, injuried, or compulsory figures or whatever, but important and memorable to the sport, and winners of numerous World and US medals. Wagner had one student who in the LP out-performed the other skaters in one competition - just happened to be the big one. Sure Wagner also coached Sasha for a very short time, but I don't see that she contributed to making Sasha a better skater. Most of Sasha's skills were learned under Nicks.

For me, Wagner has a loooooong way to go. I am still sad that Sarah won Oly gold at such a young age before she was fully developed and before her technique errors were corrected. I think Sarah had potential to be an excellent skater, but I don't think Wagner would have ever gotten her there. JMO.

[missmarysgarden]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - with conviction: Frank is a coach. Wagner is an opportunist.

[MKGrace]

mmg - :lol :smokin

[michelle2006]

You are absolutely right. I falt out don't like Robin, she got lucky by get an extremely talented skater in Sasha, and starting messing with her talent as well.

[tongueincheek]

Word, MMG.

(p.s. finally sent you that PM. Check your inbox.)

[mzheng]

LOL, mmm.