Researching This Gay Thing

[bjb22]

Using alphametrics, numerology, UFO mythology, U.S. nuclear history and acronyms to explain this massive expansion of Homosexuality.

So far the "Enola Gay" (the B-29 Bomber dropping the nuke on Japan) provides the most immediate of insight.

E=5, N=14, O=15.....51= secret facility (UFO mythology), 415 is the area code to San Francisco (a known gay bastion). LA= the angels (spanish translation).

All tired testimonials and politics aside, does anybody have any "hard" (angels of hell research and devilopment) science to assist in this pursuit?

[Krista]

Are you a conspiracy theorist or something?

[bjb22]

Not really. It's that many social phenomenas can approximated through some of these techniques. It's inexact but may be more productive than reading and responding to canned political cliches.

I don't believe in UFO's but am sure that classified experimental aircraft exist. IMO most UFO-lore is used as disinfo weapon to twist minds.

[Krista]

Interesting :) . Ok, was just wondering.

[elliebea]

BJB - I think you're basing your inquiry or request for inquiry on an essentially false premise. That is that:

. . . this massive expansion of Homosexuality

How about 1) expansion of willingness to be 'out of the closet', and 2) expansion of willingness of media to either portary gay characters in fictional venues, or to discuss the matter in news references.

Though it's possible to proceed based upon a hypothetical premise if it's understood as such, why limit methods of inquiry to numerology, UFO studies, etc? What about sociology, biology, psychology, and anthropology?

Or do you simply enjoy dabbling in the paranormal, as sort of a parlor game (as many do)?

[bjb22]

How typical.....granted the initial basis for the research was based on an inexact numberlogical criteria but for someone to say "false premise" before any conclusion was reached indicates ignorance of scientific methodology. You state history, anthropology etc. . I stated my position on OFO's (I don't believe in them) and only used it to quantify the letters A & E to "51" (the suspious and notorius secret base/facility in the Nevada desert) and then assimulate that as some freak UFO theorisim.

There are many other ways to explain the "Gay Phenomenon" (GP). Perhaps karmic cause/effect as per psycho-subliminal subterfuge. Regardless, the 100's of approaches to study this is nearly always thwarted by some gay apologists turned mean.

As far as the internet goes, this gay thing is by both sides answered with your either with us or against us.

[elliebea]

How typical . . .quote]

Of what? Me? This Forum? The general populace?

I can't make out your whole paragraph there, but how about 'unsubstantiated premise' as a substitute? There's a compromise for ya'!

Howerver, I agree with exactly NONE of this:

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[bjb22]

I wonder how the reaction would be if I quoted 1 Corintitians or the Book of Romans and Timothy and left it at that?

Or applied DSM IV 295 logic to the dynamic?

It should be clear that I am not approaching this thing to cricticize or persecute.....

[Jayjen36]

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure where you're going with this. If you want to research something it is a valid to question the premise that you begin with. So, elliebea's question of "Is homosexuality really expanding?" seems valid to me. Does it matter in your research whether or not there is an actual rise in homosexuality or merely a brighter broader spotlight on it?

Maybe it would help if you stated exactly why you've decided against the use of the systems that elliebea mentioned (sociology, biology, psychology, and anthropology) and opted instead to use numerology and alphametrics.

And also could you explain exactly what alphametics is as an admittedly quick search around the internet turned up nothing other than the name of a corporation.

And then could you explain how you're using them. What does your research show about this "explosion" of homosexuality?

edited to add, I don't want to sound like an inquisitor or anything.:) I'm just curious about this.

[bjb22]

I haven't ruled out the use of sociology, psychology, anthropology etc. in reseaching this pathology. All of these can be useful in researching "sexual deviancy from the norm".

[EigthAv]

Bjb,here is my reaction your Enola Gay rubbish...... :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[bjb22]

I suppose 8th ave has got it all figured out.....my reaction to that would be....

"...ease the pain
Of your useless and pointless
Knowledge"

"Tombstone Blues"- Bob Dylan

[EigthAv]

Bjb,my high school biology teacher seemed to have your answer.As a species,we are dealing with over-population.A species can produce what is neccesary to either slow down or speed up reproduction,based on the needs.We need to slow down,science won't allow it,so nature is trying to make it happen? Just a thought. Makes more sense than the Enola Gay theory.

[moxie]

Yes, that had occurred to me a well. And in that sense, homosexuality would be "God's way"/"nature's way" of limiting the population.

[Krista]

I had thought about that as well. It makes sense.

[bjb22]

I appreciate the response. Perhaps there is a diabolical twist on 1Corinitians.

I don't think I buy this population control thing. With homosexuals comprising 2-3% of the population it does figure that they certainly would not "breed" (for lack of a better word).

With 2-3% of the population having a near 100% chance of not conceiving (probably 98-97%) what about the 97-98% of the non-homosexual population?

A terrible zero-population program.

[EigthAv]

In order to ever get after our global population explosion problems,the problem first has to be recognized and then put on the Untied Nations table. <!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->I have a feeling that percentage is a bit higher.More like 5 to 10 %. I don't want a World where we are all looking in each other's closets and as long as so many people "are in the closet" about their personal orientations it's hard to get an accurate percentage of any preference. I'll save any further over-population issues for an over-population thread. That biology teacher made us do a bacteria in a jar lid experiment to help him drive home the message about how a species can literally populate itself out of existance.It's worth taking heed of. Like slow down and smell the coffee.

[4dogknight]

Now I could be wrong but wasn't there a study in the late forties - early fifties, that the preponderance of babies born after WWI and WWII were male. The conclusion was that Nature was replenishing the population to compensate for the male lives lost during the wars.

And, I could be wrong here too, but wasn't there a similar study done regarding the 100 Years War in Europe?

4dk

[MKGrace]

Yes. The A-bombs in Japan caused the proliferation of homosexuals worldwide. Global warming is also a contributing factor. In fact rainforest depletion is a myth--the rainforests are being used to house homosexual aliens who are plotting to take over the world.

[Krista]

:lol :rollin

[4dogknight]

Perhaps I should have made my question clearer; the studies I asked about had nothing to do with gay, straight or something in between.

Quite frankly though, I didn't expect a smart mouth condescending comment, I think I hoped for replies in the vein of "I remember those" or "I've never heard of them." It’s been donkey's years since I was in school and sometimes my memory isn't as reliable as it was in yesteryear.

4dk.

[Skatekwan6]

Why do people think homosexuality is something that didn't start until the 1980s?? Homosexuality didn't just start. It has always existed...it's just that now people talk about it and before it was too taboo to talk about. It's not expanding, the attention on it is expanding, so these "theories" about it "expanding" don't make any sense. And I can't believe some of the things I have read here...they sound totally ignorant. Do research, take a history class, do something. Also, calling it "This gay thing" is very insensitive. But then again, I have learned not to expect much when I come here.

[EigthAv]

Our backyard is a vital portion of a larger neighbourhood rain forest.Unfortunately we have tree hating,nitpicky girlie men who have infiltrated and seek to slowly change it all. I doubt they understand the long range ramifications of a World where trees are no taller than 15 feet and everyone lives in a totally air conditioned artficial environment... .........less than 3 miles from our front yard,Wal Mart is coming.:eek The trees have already been knocked down and plowed over to make way.My tree fearing next door neighbour is a longtime Wal Mart man.:eek They are coming to get me.:eek :eek <!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Sorry,I drifted way off the topic.I wonder if trees have any sort influence on the orientation process. Could building tree homes and/or bird watching be contributing factors towards one being gay or being a girl lover???? btw,i've heard about those aliens hiding in the real rain forests.One of them used to play a really wicked Gibson Les Paul guitar and managed to infiltrate a local beer joint and a band I was in.Cool dude,he was.:hat

[mr pru]

The answer lies buried deep in a mountain complex in Grant's Pass, Oregon.0] 0] 0] 0] 0] 0] 0] 0] 0] 0] 0]

[EigthAv]

"This gay thing"? Don't be so sensitive.People routinely make a mockery of Christians,"straights","whites","girls",and any number of other subjects. I doubt seriously I could have ever had so much fun being a serious,out of the closet figure skating fan if not for my hard turtle shell."Fig-yur skatin'?" :lol Some folks automatically assume skaters and all their fans are cissies.I don't mean gay,I mean cissie,as in we all have permanent lace drawers attached to us. The more macho football,boxing and rasslin' fantatics refuse to even discuss gay issues as pertains to those sports/pastimes.........and you could socked just for asking a serious NASCAR fan if there are any gay drivers. <!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Do any of you recall the tales of the famous and rather macho Greek warriors of the heydays of ancient Greece? In those days,it was common for a soldier in the fields,so to speak,to have a male lover. It was also common for high potentates of olde to surround their wives with gay guys and lesbian women. Have any of the Kings of England ever been gay? Probably.Have any of England's Queens ever been lesbians? Probably. No,it's not new. I know of at least one way down south small town which has traditionally had it's share of gay guys.In the 70s,it probably had more gays more capita than Frisco or Montgomery.......and Montgomery has and has had it's share.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->I've never understood why straight males have problems with straight up gay males.I'd be more concerned about my so called straight friends,because so many of them are forever plotting to cuckold you with your wife or girlfriend. I admit I have my suspiscions about guys who have above average disdain for gay guys. I figure they must not be very secure with what they claim to be.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->It's a big beautiful World if you will allow for that.If you choose to spend most of your life worrying,complaining and whining,it's not so groovy.

[MKGrace]

I'm absolutely terrified, mortified and petrified of Wal-mart! :eek I have no doubt Sam Walton is a power-hungry 0] straight out of the rain forest. And Oregon??!! Lookout!!! I'll never step foot in that state-- talk about scary!! :eek The closest I'll ever come to Oregon is sipping a nice Pinot Noir. :lol :p

[Jayjen36]

I don't think I buy this population control thing. With homosexuals comprising 2-3% of the population it does figure that they certainly would not "breed" (for lack of a better word).

With 2-3% of the population having a near 100% chance of not conceiving (probably 98-97%) what about the 97-98% of the non-homosexual population?

A terrible zero-population program.


There have been studies done recently that claim that rather than too many people we actually have too few. While there are countries with dangerous overpopulation issues, particularly with Africa in which there are huge numbers of very young children but very few adults surviving, there are countries like the US who are barely managing to "replace" themselves (meaning each man and woman having a child to replace them when they die) and then there are countries like Japan who are in danger of not having a large enough population to support its society.

Very interesting theory. Perhaps overpopulation isn't really a problem. But I'd have to say that I agree with Skatekwan6 in that homosexuality is hardly new or expanding at a rate disproportionate to the general population. It's simply that more gay people are compelled to live there lives "out of the closet". Because they are more "seen" and more vocal about their rights the gay community is being discussed more. And like most minority groups as it becomes more "accepted" by mainstream society, signs of that groups influence begin to grow, so we get TV shows like Will and Grace and Queer Eye and terms like "metrosexual" showing up. I really don't think that there is any sort of conspiracy going on.

P.S. For the record I also agree with Skatekwan6 about the "Gay Thing" title of the thread.

[bjb22]

Media glorification does seem to ecaserabate (OR at least magnify the extent) of the gay issue.

Oh, and pru, there's no hyphen in Grants Pass.....unless you choose to use "One".

[mr pru]

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Somebody from deep in that mountain complex reached out and touched my mind at the exact moment I was typing the word Grants.

They controlled my mind. I had no will of my own. I was helpless-a victim of a vicious government plot to experiment with controlling people's minds.

I can only hope that the effect is temoprary.

Oh yeah, Who cares if someone is "gay" or not? Why would anyone care who someone has a relationship with?

Whether it's a choice or the way a person is born makes no difference to me. Live and let live, throwing stones, glass houses, you know.

No one has the right to judge someone else's lifestyle.

[Jayjen36]

Oh yeah, Who cares if someone is "gay" or not? Why would anyone care who someone has a relationship with?

I completely agree mr. pru! I like what Michael Stipe, the lead singer of REM said when he kept being asked if he was gay, roughly: "Unless you're sitting on my lap it's non of your business what my ____ is doing". It's simply not your business. Frankly I think that if people paid as much attention to their own business as they do to other people's, the world would be a happier or at least less neurotic place.

edited for a forgotten spellcheck:o

[bjb22]

So much for researching a sociological phenomonem.

[EigthAv]

It's rock & roll.I thought everyone knew that.The olde ones tried to warn us.

[Jayjen36]

Really? Now I thought that it was fluoride in our water! Or maybe it is really the purple tellietubbie Tinki-Winki after all!!

[bjb22]

What about the clandestine implementation of nenemic weapons together with covert insinuation of impact enhancing drugs?

[Jayjen36]

You know I'm probably not alone in not being up on the latest conspiracy theories, so you're probably going to need to explain exactly what nenemic weapons and "impact enhancing drugs" are. Without that it pretty much makes the rest of your statement meaningless.

And by the way, I realize that it's not very likely that there would be a lot of kids in the political section of this site, and I myself have tested a few boundaries a couple of times, but your last line I think is just a bit over the top? You might want to change it maybe?

[EigthAv]

It's way over the top. Please don't get us closed down.:eek I think the only thing that has changed,percentage wise,is that more gays and lesbians are "out of the closet". A generation ago,you could still get beat up in certain areas just for sympathyzing.There is still room for progress,but we(in the USA) have moved light years from the pre-60s thinking.

[bjb22]

Perhaps it's a psycho-behavioural disorder that's come to light with increased media-social exposure.

[moxie]

So you really think homosexuality is just a product of increased media exposure?

Obviously, people are speaking more openly of homesexuality these days, but it's been mentioned in history and literature
since ancient times.

The term "psycho-behavioural disorder" is one that I would apply to someone who spouts off and/or bashes other people's sexual orientation without showing any evidence of knowing anything at all about the subject.

And, yes, the language in your previous post was so outrageously obscene that you should be barred from this forum. Take your gay-hating insults elsewhere, please.

[bjb22]

Appropriate edit was made to remedy the rather vulgar attempt to explore the possible effects of unseen weaponry and related chemicals afflicting both gays and Straights.

It now seems evident that a reverse inquisition is takinG Place; that to which forces consternation upon those who seek knowledge oF A Generally understood to be voatile issue.

Moxie, I apoligize for the now edited vulgarity but not the temerity for bringinG Portions of this issue into light.

[Jayjen36]

Perhaps it's a psycho-behavioural disorder that's come to light with increased media-social exposure.

Unfortunately this is not the first time that I have heard that claim, and as then, there has been no proof presented with it. In fact despite the age old attempts to "cure" people, (see an earlier thread concerning a fundamentalist "camp" for the "re-education" of gay teens) they pretty much all result in crashing failure.

What proof is available to back-up this idea of a "psycho-behavioral disorder?" What sort of treatment other than behavioral modification (which we know is largely a failure) has been used successfully to combat it? And if all attempts have been largely unsuccessful, why were they proven to be unsuccessful?

And in all of your speculation, there is a sense of negativity, as if somehow the fact that there are gay people living openly in our society is a problem. I've also heard this often enough and have also never been given any reasonable example of such a problem. What problem do you see if any? And if you see no problem, why bother with researching this topic? Wouldn't research into why so few people vote in presidential elections, for instance, be more fruitful? Particularly for someone who's interested in conspiracies?

[Deviousness]

Gays and bisexuals have existed since the beginning of humanity. To try to convey the idea that gays came into existence yesterday is a sad attempt to hate on these people and make them seem like they didn't have any history or a place in this world. It was a norm in Greek and Roman cultures and the Native Americans thought it was wonderful that someone was gay; they believe that person had 2 spirits. They valued homosexuals. Gays are the movers and shakers in history and so misunderstood and hated in modern times because they blur "traditional" gender roles and they threathen a heterosexual's sense of normalcy in a world of chaos and fear. Joan of Arc was a big lesbian. It is ironic how Michelangelo, the greatest homosexual artist was allowed to paint the Sistine chapel in his day. Gay liberation is women's liberation.. Don't let the haters fool your senses.....

People routinely make a mockery of Christians,"straights","whites","girls",and any number of other subjects.
EightAv, not to be rude but Gays are treated like dirt in this country, and everywhere else in the world. Statistics show that most gay teenagers want to commit suicide from fear of not be accepted or ridiculed in school. I'm sorry, but not all straight males are figure skating fanatics like you, that has a sense that maybe gay people are human beings. Don't you think your whole argument about straight bias and white bias in this country is petty??? How many laws and amendments have been made to try to prevent these people from living a fruitful and happy life, a life free from fear of being stigmatized? I highly doubt this straight guy is contemplating suicide because his parents don't like the idea he is white or straight. Don't make me laugh.

*edited a word*

[mr pru]

First, one poster goes over the line with a word with an asterisk (for which the moderators were notified)-which then is VERY belatedly edited by the poster.

Now, another one comes off with another word which is just as offensive with an asterisk in it.

Can't certain people use what intelligence they have to compose a thought or sentence without using vulgarity?

It makes one wonder about the smarts involved when inappropiate words are used.

[Sparks]

Hi everyone! Just wanted to peek into this thread and say that bjb22 is a 0] in my opinion. Perhaps we shouldn't feed it? This poster has also said disparaging things about Michelle. >: >: >:
As a Masters level clinician, I can confirm that Homosexuality is not a disorder, nor pathological, nor a "sociological phenomenon". :rolleyes
Gay rights is a HUMAN RIGHTS issue...keep fighting!

[mr pru]

Thank you Kwanluv for the timely edit.

Where has the proper sense of decorum gone in today's world?

Personally, it makes me wonder how some of these people were raised by their parents.

My mother would have clocked me upside the head (something she NEVER did) if I'd spoken like that.

Then, she'd told my father when he got home from work and that would have been the end of the world as I knew it!!:lol

[Krista]

same here, mr pru lol the dreaded "wait until your father gets home" eeeeekkkkkkkk :eek :lol

[bjb22]

Sparks, I find MK an attractive, talented and successful young women-athlete.

Perhaps this thread should be closed.....a Master's level clinician has determined that homosexuality is not a "psycho-behaviorial disorder or a social phenomenom" or even religious retribution or attributable to unseen chemical/subliminal weaponry.

It appears that "bashing" exists on both sides of this funky issue.

I consider the issue dead, tanked, closed. :rolleyes

[mr pru]

Maybe one day you'll start a thread that will interest people, but no one is holding their breath.

Thanks for not being vulgar in your closing comment.

[bjb22]

One vulgarity (admittedly a poor attempt at hyperbole useage).....reminds me of the movie "The Human Stain".

And pru, do ever post without either responding with ridicule, put downs or some veiled attempt to cover this MO (as in your obviously culled form the internet hockey retort from someone saying the same thing)? Maybe you should go to WorldNet or some other benign blather and do your cut and paste here and start some political topic and then do your "thing".

[mr pru]

Yes-but this isn't one of them.

It obviously took you quite a few hours between your original post to come up with what you must think is a good comeback.

Edited to add: Come to think of it-parts of #7 just might apply in this individual situation.

"..obviously culled..."-from what, where, when. I've missed something somewhere, thankfully.

BTW (By the way-just in case you couldn't figure it out) I am too computer illiterate to know how to cut and paste.

There, that oughta' give you something to feel good about.

[bjb22]

"Took a few hours to think of a good comeback"....

Pru, in case you weren't aware People turn off the computer sometime in the evening and then, perhaps, get back to it the next day. Believe me, I spend little to no time contemplating how to respond to negative rhetoric such as yours.

"I want you to know
I can see though your masks"

"Masters Of War"- Bob Dylan

Contrary to your snide comment of "when you post something worthwhile but won't hold my breath" (paraphrase) I will hold my breath waiting for you to post something worthwhile; to me, even exhibitions of stupidity are worthwhile. And, in an amusenly antagonistic way, the same might be true for you.

The "Waiting-To-Exhale/ Idiot Wind" cyber gambit.

[mr pru]

:lol

I didn't didn't say anything about me holding my breath. Since when is a paraphrase in quotation marks?

I have presented poltical threads that have drawn far more responses than anything you've come up with.

You seem to pride yourself in presenting the bizarre. Obviously you think it makes you some avant garde intellect.

What it really does is make you look like some fool trying to be cool.

The song lyrics at the end of your posts are only important to you. Again, you think it makes you better than the readers of your posts because this "musical cut" has enlighten yourself far, far beyond our comprehension.

It's a shame that the government doesn't get a hold of you and take you to the complex in the mountains of Grants Pass that you claim to exist and perform their mind altering experiments on yourself that you claim are going on on a routine basis.

Yeah, right.0]

I believe the reynolds wrap you keep around your skull to keep out the rays that the leprechauns on Neptune are bombarding us with has worked its way loose and as a result, you may truly need professional help.

Rant on, babble forth, try to be cool (in your own mind).

I'm done with it.

Someone as obviously unbalanced as yourself deserves our pity and prayers.

Don't forget Art Bell's birthday. He might send his flying monkeys after you while you sleep. (if you sleep-I doubt your species needs it)

[bjb22]

Pru, for the record I am not a UFOologist. Your blatent attack against me leaves me speechless. I am crushed not so much of your observations of me but rather that someone would take it upon themself to casitigate, ridicule, marginalize and criticize another Person with such vigor and spite.

[Krista]

would be nice if everyone could lay off the personal attacks. certainly isn't going to help the political section cause.

[bjb22]

Exactly DMBchic. I was reading an excellent article in Business Week about the AFL-CIO labor split full of excellent observations. I was going to post and link and perhaps but with certain elements cyber-trolling I think not.

I guess bringing to bear the horrific subliminal conditions of Grants Pass really ruffles some feathers, brings out the predators and rules out any legimate political-social discussion.


And again, for the record, I went to the NASA/JPL Open House at Cal Tech on May 15, 2005 and also to Science Applications International (SAIC) Space and Defense Division in Torrance (oddly, that's where I was born as well as MK) to attempt discuss the situation here and present a mountain of evidence (1000's of pages of observations) and met the proverbial "wall".

All I have ever asked for is a venue to meet face to face with officials, present the evidence, and get a fair review of said.

It's a sad world when anyone drawing this issue to point is tormeted subliminally even more and even the vernerable NASA sticks it's head in the sand.

Bring it on, pru.

[4dogknight]

And now bjb22, you know how Mulder felt!

4dk

[bjb22]

What I meant to convey is that I adhere to "real" science not not UFO nonsense (there is some codes, ciphers and clues but they really aren't worth the trouble....that stuff is all either experimental aircraft or drug -induced hysteria). I certainly don't want to alienate (good word) the alleged UFO wing-nuts and crackpots (every One has something to offer) much in the same respect I don't want to be marginalized and disenfranchised over my allegations.

I welcome the day when this subliminal situation is resolved and substanitive discussions about "real" issues can begin.