SP Timing Deduction did Not Affect Final Standings

[Y2002Kwan]

If MK was second in the SP, even if SA was fourth in the SP, the final point totals would be as follows:

SA: (0.4 x 1) + (0.6 x 4) + (1 x 1) = 3.8
SC: (0.4 x 1) + (0.6 x 1) + (1 x 3) = 4.0
MK: (0.4 x 3) + (0.6 x 2) + (1 x 2) = 4.4

[MKsmiral]

The issue for me still continues - her scores for the SP were out of line even before the time deduction!

[MKIcePrincess]

here here - damn straight!

Kristin

[sorrowfree78]

you really can't conjecture because mentally it would have changed the whole landscape if Michelle had a better chance at gold even if she needed a little help.

Shizuka and Sasha came in knowing that it would be a battle between them first. whoever was at least second would win the title.

It could have made sasha more nervous IF Michelle would have been more of a factor in determining Sasha's fate. Sasha did NOT need to think about if michelle finished ahead of her because she knew she had to stay ahead of Arakawa and others only.

Arakawa probably saw this as an opportunity too since Kwan was out of gold medal contention. I am sure her camp prepped her well mentally. She had Yagudin and Tarasova at her side.

[Debbie]

True, but if Arakawa had received the proper deductions for her SP, she would have been placed even lower. The Eurosport guys thought she should have been below Kostner and Sebestyen. And if MK had finished 2nd in her QR (another controversial split decision that appears to have been at the mercy of the "sekret komputer"), MK would have won even with Arakawa winning the free. And the commentators thought MK was undermarked technically in the LP, although they do concede that Arakawa won the free fairly.

Bad judging was on display numerous times in this competition. And who knows if CoP will make things any better?

[ChiSkate2002]

And who knows if CoP will make things any better?

My fear is no. Unless they make the judges accountable for the scores they give. The biases in the judging is not only because of pressures from the federation - there are also national pride involved, not to mention the inherent hatred against US (specially after the Iraq invation).

Although the CoP makes more sense than the traditional 6.0, they should also include minimum value to each certain element. Maybe that should be the job of the referee - to declare that the element was completed according to requirement and it should get a minimum value of x - then the extra points will be added by the judges. Otherwise, the judges can still give scores according to their own personal biases.

[redvispa]

I think it certainly could have had an effect on the final standings. Sasha knew that Michelle wasn't going to have a chance for Gold and that probably relieved some of the pressure off of her. Micki was in third place so she had tons of pressure on her. She could have been relaxed if she had been in fourth, and she might have had a better performance. Arakawa too might not have had such a powerful performance if she had come into the LP in third place. So it certainly could have made some kind of impact. Unfortunately, we will never know.

[vixen62025]

... there was crappy judging for the entire competition. As an example, Winler and Lohse getting higher technical marks than Grushina and Goncharav, who (IMO) have the most technically difficult free dance of anyone this year. Talk about supporting the hosting country - that was an outright gift! Irina being held up in the LP so that Russia would have at least two ladies in the top ten is another example. 6.0s for Plushenko when he falls on a jump?

Needless to say I could fill an entire page, but what's the use? Block judging is far from dead, and although I love the perfect 6.0, maybe it's time to see it go.... Now if only Speedy can be talked into not making the judges anonymous, we might begin to see some progress being made in this sport.

[sidda]

stupid irrelevant question now, but this thread starting me doing something I never do: Math.

I had heard before the LP that, for MK to get gold, SC would have to place 4th in the LP, SA 3rd, and MA 2nd. But, based upon my math, if that had happened, MK, SA and MA would all have tied with 4.6? Is that so? And, if so, how would the medals have been determined???

[cchen24]

When there is a tie, the placements in lp will determine the final standings.