View Full Version : What will Sasha do now?
Pattern99
March 27th, 2004, 10:18 AM
Anybody think she'll leave Robin for someone else now that she yet again flubbed the long? There's definitely a problem with concentration or something. How can someone so talented keep messing up in the long? She had it made.
Aranjuez
March 27th, 2004, 10:21 AM
Sasha will stick with Robin. She won the silver and should be proud. She didn't choke or flub anything. She didn't skate perfectly but did deserve her spot on the podium.
It will be interesting to see how she approaches next season. She should have more confidence after Worlds. However, I'm not sure if she is ready to add the triple/triples that she will need.
smallsilly
March 27th, 2004, 10:26 AM
Honestly, I think if Sasha can skate a clean 7 triple program, she would be hard to beat. Same for Michelle (who only did 5 and was still 2nd). The sad thing is, Sasha has never been able to skate an error free magical 7 triple program, and I think she should work on that before she starts throwing in 3/3's.
Cole50
March 27th, 2004, 10:27 AM
I think Robin is helping her...obviously, she did better in all three phases of the competition then past years or performances...but I think ultimately, it's Sasha that will make the difference.
From this World championships, she will gain more confidence, but also, she will also gain more pressures too...she's nearer to the top, and it's harder to defend then to chase, that is for sure.
cestlavie000000
March 27th, 2004, 10:28 AM
She will continue to be the same skater and person she is and will always be. Nuff said!
EdenroX
March 27th, 2004, 10:28 AM
If Sashs starts pounding her body to land the 3/3 it is a certainty that she will end up with a major injury. She is tiny, her frame is just skin and bones. If she wants to add a 3/3 she has to put on some weight and muscle tone. She plainly and simply doesn't have the speed or height in her jumps to land the second triple consistently. Not to mention completeing it with her nerves , when it counts.
Sasha needs to stop blamming her nerves on a busy schedule and her coaches. Some brilliant skaters just can't deliver when it really counts and she is going to go down in history as one of them.
SonnyD
March 27th, 2004, 10:33 AM
I also think that Sasha should stay with Robin in order to increase the quality of her Flutz.:rollin
lavender
March 27th, 2004, 10:40 AM
was really watered down so she could do the jumps and the program is front loaded. Now when COP is added back in then how will Sasha skate? It's been hard for her to do all those interesting moves and do the jumps consistently. She seems to get tired.
Chrystia Mee
March 27th, 2004, 10:40 AM
I'm confused. I never paid much attention to technical stuff until last year, so did Sarah Hughes while being trained by Robin flutz? Or is it simply that Sasha started flutzing with Robin?
But I think Sasha will stay with Robin. What I think Sasha problem is when she comes into the short program she attacks with fire. But she gets so excited by her fabulous sp she flips into defense and loses sight of the attack. That or she tries too hard to attack in the lp. Self intimidation. If she fixes that she may be unbeatable.
ceap
March 27th, 2004, 10:43 AM
I definately think she will stay with Robin...they seem to mesh, but then again, I thought she and TT were great together. Didn't know they were clashing behind the scenes.
QUESTION: Will the new Code of Points deduct for front loading a program??????
SonnyD
March 27th, 2004, 10:45 AM
Sasha has never had a true Lutz and I don't think Robin can teach her how to get this outside edge.
cestlavie000000
March 27th, 2004, 10:49 AM
They drink coffee together and eat pastries and they "talk the same skating language". Oy vay, I need an anti-emetic for this duo!
sunnybunny
March 27th, 2004, 10:50 AM
Sarah had one of the most obvious flutzes in figure skating and Robin never did anything about it, so I doubt they will mess with Sasha's. Why bother, the judges don't seem to mind it, why should she?!!!
Minx
March 27th, 2004, 10:54 AM
Robin has transformed her presentation skills. I remember a comment Peggy Flemming made about Sasha's skating before nationals (I think) - Sasha always seemed like a procelain ballerina in a crystal globe (or something to that effect). There was that sense of detachment, like their was a steel mesh between her and the audience (in the words of Dick Button). In just one season with Robin, she's starting to break that down. Her skating has improved. So she didn't have a gold medal around her neck her first time on the Worlds podium. She not only made it to the podium this year from 4th place finishes in Worlds and Olympics, but she finished with a silver. It may not have been gold, but it was a major accomplishment.
honey827
March 27th, 2004, 10:54 AM
Sasha has just won her first World medal and managed to skate quite well throughout this event so I doubt she will send Robin anywhere. Robin has been very good for her imo.
bekalc
March 27th, 2004, 11:53 AM
I'm a very proud Sasha Cohen fan right now. Here is the way I look at it. Different skaters have different problems. Cohen's problem is consistentcy she obviously gets nervous especially in big competitions. Look, at her last two worlds finishes. (First worlds two huge mistakes, Second worlds clean qualifying and then two other big mistakes.) Really, in a lot of ways she just bombed the last two times.
This time, we still have a nervous Cohen who manages to withouthold the pressure (for two fazes of the competition with no mistakes. She hasn't won a worlds short program before, and only makes one mistake (and a slight one (no fall) this competition. Its a huge improvement. Yes, she wasn't perfect, but its totally something she can build on. Just, look at her horrible performance at the Grand Prix Finals this year. Then with Robin, she bounces back with only one fall (compared to her other mistakes this is a big deal!) at nationals. Last year's nationals she bombed. This time she takes the lead and she manages not to fall, and skate very well (six triples). Yes, she could have done without the stumble, but you know what, its better than a fall and better than bombing. Even with that jump she may not have won because of the 3/3's.
Frankly, I was terrified to hear that my girl completely bombed in the long, I mean tons and tons of errors, but instead I hear only one error in the long and not a huge big deal one. I'm proud of her because it is an improvement. And frankly improvement is all I really need to see as a fan.
I have a feeling that cohen has a lot of choking nightmares, look how nervous she looks. And, this is something her and Robin need to work on a bit more about how to approach competition and have more fun. Still I'm so proud of my girl because really she didnt' choke, and I feel this will be a great learning experience for her.
I remember that it took Plushenko really a long time to skate very clean at worlds, he kind of bombed and didn't skate perfect for awhile (I wonder if its only been once that he has. However, now he's a great champion.) I think it takes some skaters awhile to develop confidence and handle their nerves.
Sasha has to get those three/threes. I have a feeling this is a confidence issue, and really not a difficulty issue. Still given, all of Sasha's worlds demons, I feel a lot of them were conquered in this competition.
In fact, I just read an article. Cohen stated its funny to see all the coaching changes going on, but really everyone just needs to find what works for them. And she's happy where she's at. I think this showed a lot of wisdom. Just because Tatina has coached a lot of Olympic Champions doesn't mean she'd be able to coach Sasha to an Olympic Champion. (Its whose best for you and what you need)
cestlavie000000
March 27th, 2004, 12:00 PM
W
lavender
March 27th, 2004, 12:14 PM
Sasha had a couple of mistakes in her long in the qr. She supposedly double footed her lutz and maybe another jump so Sasha still needs to work on her consistency. She's getting there.
bekalc
March 27th, 2004, 12:16 PM
I heard that she didn't double foot anything in the qualifying.
SonnyD
March 27th, 2004, 12:27 PM
I was surprised to see a Sasha's lp without any fall. I just love the changes in her choreography, her new dress and the music. She was nervous and I think her right ankle on the first lutz landing has suffered but it doesn't seem to affect her.
lavender
March 27th, 2004, 12:53 PM
On another site I post on we had someone there reporting everything and that's what she wrote (I think). I'll have to check again.
crazysoul80
March 27th, 2004, 12:57 PM
"Cohen needed to be clean. Her planned opening move was the triple Lutz-double toe, but she had a rough landing on the Lutz and was unable to tack on the double toe. She followed with a triple flip, loop, toe, double Axel, and then notched her first combination, a triple Salchow-double toe. She added the double toe on her second triple Lutz. Her last jump, however, might have sealed her fate, as she doubled an intended triple Salchow and landed forward on two feet."
sorrowfree78
March 27th, 2004, 01:06 PM
Sasha is a great skater, but she is kind of like a Slutskaya now. At least she has elevated herself to elite level bridesmaid instead of American championships bridesmaid.
If Sasha did not go for the 2nd salchow, I think she could have been boosted by presentation scores over Arakawa.
She made the judgement easy.
She must be second guessing the 2nd salchow.
Sasha will suffer because of expectations. When she gains unexpectedly there is no roller coaster.
She thinks of herself as "the best in the world 2B" but doesn't make good on her elite level individual skills in order to have world champion competitive skills.
Sarah, Tara, Kristi and Michelle all had that.
If the athletic level keeps on improving on the jumps then sasha won't be an odds on favorite, but just another contender til she retires.
Sasha has a good shot at Nationals again if she stays healthy.
If Michelle really sticks around then it's going to be a very interesting battle.
Michelle is going to be very hungry for title 9.
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