Conservative Thread

[EigthAv]

Are there any conservatives left on the board? Roll call.

Mike?
Here.

The lib thread looks a bit boring. Let's show them how to polly-tick. I can remember when libs seemed soooooo coo-wahl. ......... nowadays they are the establishment and are as square as a cube.

Come on in here and sound on off.

[Lisa Seye]

Dare I step in here before some liberals think I am not worth talking to anymore, LOL. Conservative here, but ready to see Bush go home, too, so we can begin arguing about someone else for a change.



“The foremost art of kings is the power to endure hatred”

[tammym59]

I don't post in the policital threads often, but count me in as conservative.

[lightsout]

Conservative. I accidentally turned on CNN yesterday and watched a little of the Dems youtube debate...oh man.

[EigthAv]

Conservative. I accidentally turned on CNN yesterday and watched a little of the Dems youtube debate...oh man.

I thought it was the weakest debate so far. To start with, everyone who isn't facilitated for you-tube was eliminated from asking questions. The demo frontrunners were saying a lot of what the liberals want to hear. Preaching to the choir, so to speak.

Okay, let's see the repos counter with a msntv debate. :lol Let me in on one of these thangs. I have a few questions.:)

Clinton, Obama and Edwards are finally starting to take aim at each other. Cool. Blasting away at "this adiministration"(bush-cheney) is olde hat. They won't be running in 2008.

I don't know who, but I'll predict our next president will again be a Republican.

[lightsout]

Republican nom:
Giuliani, Romney, possibly Fred T. (I think McCain's support of the Amnesty bill did him in)

[Lisa Seye]

I am not predicting anything either way. What I hate to see (on all sides) is the tearing down of current administration and then everybody applauds when they hear how bad the Prez is doing, but what are you gonna DO about it if you get in there? That is what I want to hear. I want to hear some concrete plans and not just keep saying that things are messed up and things need to change. Yeah ok, so what can you do to change them? How will you do it? Can you do it? Tell me more so I might want to vote for you. Don't just tell me you are different. Show me. Explain it to me. Otherwise, we may be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire just for a CHANGE??? Change does not always mean progress (spoken from my die hard democrat grandfather-may he rest in peace).

[MKGrace]

I don't post in the policital threads often, but count me in as conservative.

Same here. :)

[Delilah's Mom]

One more here!

...although, if you asked me my pick for the nomination, it would be "none of the above" right now.

[Lisa Seye]

Yeah None of the above. :D So far.

[Corbon91]

Same here. :)
Me too :).

[probativev]

Hey Corbon! nice to see that you're back! I thought you have left us for good. :)

[kwancierto de aranjuez]

Hello! Just peeking in...

Just curious and I wanted to know... What are conservative values? What does being conservative stand for? What is conservative for you?

[tammym59]

wow, talk about a thought provoking question, going to have to get back to you after I finish scratching my head for an answer:lol

[EigthAv]

It's cool to see a number of conserves in here. Join us Kwancerto. Feel the force. Newt Gingrich can answer your question. He isn't too hard to find on the tube.
I assume it is based on the word "conserve".

I hope I spell this name right..... going on memory here.... Maria Conchita Alonzo. Kudos to Maria for telling it like it is about Hugo Chavez and the growing number of big name actors who are kissing the dictater's hiney. I'm sure Hugo would love to silence Maria. He prefers American actors who blindly suck up to him and sing praises to his name.

[kwancierto de aranjuez]

It's cool to see a number of conserves in here. Join us Kwancerto. Feel the force.

Haha! You wouldn't want me... I would probably corrupt you all.

However, I'm still interested in what you all personally value as conservatives though unless Newt is THE official spokesperson for the conservatives.

Let's just say that I am progressive... But as I see it, there is progress on all sides. And I am all for the dialogue.

[Sparks]

What are conservative values? What does being conservative stand for? What is conservative for you?
This is a very good question. I really want to know, because the Republican party I see today isn't the Republician party I remember growing up.


Newt Gingrich can answer your question. He isn't too hard to find on the tube.
What do you think about Newt's latest criticism of GWB, the war in Iraq, and the Attorney General scandal?

[clarivan12]

I don't pay much attention to Newt. Maybe I should but I just can't. In regards to his comments---does anybody besides me think that some of the comments he makes is just to score "points" just in case he jumps into the presidential race???

i guess you can count me in on the conservative side.

[meumar]

Do any of you conservatives want to see Bush impeached?

[Katty52]

Count me in as a conservative.

No I do not want to see Bush impeached, I think he thinks he is doing the best that he can for our country.

I believe Bush has the best interest of our Nation up front. I do not want the war to be in our country on our land. If people would look at the first day of D-Day and how many of our boys was killed in France, they was fighting Nazi then what's the differences between Nazi's and terrorist?

And if we get a Dem in office our taxes are just going to skyrocket, they keep talking about raising the taxes for the rich but since the Rep have been in office our taxes have gone down and we actually have saved some money and not sent it all to the IRS on April 15. I am very scared what will happen if Hillary gets in office, and I think Obama is very young and inexperience, like early last week he wanted to sit down with Castro and the lot like them and discuss things but this week he wouldn't invite Bonds to the white house because he used steroids, what gives here, sit down with known dictators and not an American. I don't agree with what Bonds did if he did it but dictators, please. It's like he is approving of what they did and then the dictators will say well look at us we were excepted by the President of the United States so what we are doing is okay now.

People keep talking about the president's approval rating 29% at a all time low but look at congress and the house at a really all time low of 3%, I think the Dems since they control the house and congress need to look at them selves and say what is the matter here.

Oh, I had better not peek back in here or I will just rant and rave again. Sorry

[Krista]

Is anyone going to answer Kwancierto's question? lol

When I was more conservative, the main issues that concerned me were overtaxing. Having smaller gov't. The right to life. Preserving the Constitution. etc Incidentally I do not feel that Bush even came close to being a conservative. He's more oppressive than anything.

I'm much more progressive now, because I realize that all change is not bad, and sometimes things need to evolve. Anyhow, I won't get into all that in here, because its a conservative thread :P

[Delilah's Mom]

Hello! Just peeking in...

Just curious and I wanted to know... What are conservative values? What does being conservative stand for? What is conservative for you?

Here’s my definition of political conservativism:

States rights as opposed to federal rights
Freedom (not abolition) of religion
Smaller government, reducing the overall burden of supporting the government itself
Elimination of unnecessary government programs and pork-barrel spending
Lower taxes – which would stimulate growth, resulting in more tax revenue
A strong military and border protection
Strict constructionist judges
Right to life
In general – more rights and fewer prohibitions, and definitely less government.

[Katty52]

Delilah's Mom, wow I love your answer and I would like to ditto it for me also if it is alright with you. :clap

[breannaw]

Katty, I could not agree with you anymore, but President Bush's approvalt ratings are up to 34% now and Congress's are down to I think it's 13%, with a 3% approval rating on the Iraq war. I wish I could remember the article I read recently regarding all this. The American People are giving Bush higher ratings for the Iraq war and the recent surge. Things are looking up for him and down for Congress, which is how it should be. I'm going to try and find that article and everyone can read it.

I just checked the Rasmussen website and Bush is UP to39%. Things are movng in the right direction.
www.rasmussen.com

[Katty52]

I stand corrected "Thank YOU"

[SnoopyAndWoodstock]

Count me in as conservative... no, make that VERY VERY conservative.

[moxie]

President Bush's approvalt ratings are up to 34% now and Congress's are down to I think it's 13%, with a 3% approval rating on the Iraq war. The American People are giving Bush higher ratings for the Iraq war and the recent surge. www.rasmussen.com

The approval rating for the war is 3% and yet people are giving Bush higher ratings for the war? How is that logically possible?

A couple questions for conservatives and/or Republicans who are happy about the small decreases in their IRS bills due to the federal tax cut: How many of you are now paying more at the state & local level, due to federal budget cuts that are forcing the states to pay for certain programs? If someone in your family is a college student, are you paying more now because of the elimination of some grant programs? If you look at your bottom line and compare all costs due to taxes (and not just federal) are you really better off now than you were eight years ago?

[eventerbess]

Deliah's mom, I was reading the posts on this thread, wondering where I fit in. I would have said I am a liberal, very liberal. But I seem to agree on ALL your points. They address what I want from my government and America.
I would add, we need active, intelligent participation of all citizens and a more accurate and serious media. What I want from my president, leadership.
So I guess I am a conservative. Glad to be aboard

[MKGrace]

Here’s my definition of political conservativism:

States rights as opposed to federal rights
Freedom (not abolition) of religion
Smaller government, reducing the overall burden of supporting the government itself
Elimination of unnecessary government programs and pork-barrel spending
Lower taxes – which would stimulate growth, resulting in more tax revenue
A strong military and border protection
Strict constructionist judges
Right to life
In general – more rights and fewer prohibitions, and definitely less government.

ITA, with a big exclamation point on protecting religious freedom. We talk about freedom of speech in this country, but it doesn't seem to apply anymore to religious organizations or causes. I'm also tired of Supreme Court and other judges using their office to advance their political agendas and in effect establish law instead of interpreting and applying them.

[madison]

Deliah's mom, I was reading the posts on this thread, wondering where I fit in. I would have said I am a liberal, very liberal. But I seem to agree on ALL your points. They address what I want from my .

I want the world to look up to the American People and recognize us as the most just, the most decent, the most admirable in the World. I want them togovernment and America.
I would add, we need active, intelligent participation of all citizens and a more accurate and serious media. What I want from my president, leadership.
So I guess I am a conservative. Glad to be aboard

eventerbess,
I think that opinions are stated in ways that sometimes don't differentiate a liberal from a conservative. By that I mean we can be liberal on some issues, and conservative on others. And individuals don't always make their position clear. This is a problem I have run into in discussing politics here.
We are all for strong leadership, w/o becoming a dictatorship, I hope.

Consider Jerry's political statement about himself:
http://www.mkforum.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18656&page=2
I wear the Liberal label, and I have been involved in the Democratic Party for years. Can I define what makes anyone a Liberal or a Democrat? I dunno. But I can say what I want in America:

"I want good jobs at good wages for good Americans in good American-owned businesses in good America making good American products that good Americans can afford to buy with good American money and be proud to own because the products are way better than anything from any other country.

I want the world to look up to the American People and recognize us as the most just, the most decent, the most admirable in the World. I want them to respect us because they know we stand for what's right, and they know we are there for them when they need us, and they know we never start wars for profit or politics, we only go to fight when someone else attacks us or attacks our friends. I want the world to know we don't lie, we don't steal, we don't cheat, and we don't falsely accuse or torture. I want the world to know we respect international law. I want them to know that we respect them and will not interfere in their internal affairs.

I want to return to the best feature of the "good ol' days" - when I knew for sure that I, Jerry Stopher from Thibodaux Lousiana, hold the most-wanted, most-respected, most-sought after, public office in the history of the world: I am a Citizen of the United States, and everyone who is not envies me."


Not much to disagree with for me here. But who disagrees with his love of country?

[moxie]

ITA, with a big exclamation point on protecting religious freedom. We talk about freedom of speech in this country, but it doesn't seem to apply anymore to religious organizations or causes. I'm also tired of Supreme Court and other judges using their office to advance their political agendas and in effect establish law instead of interpreting and applying them.

Well, I guess one person's "interpreting and applying law" is another person's "establishing law."

I am a Christian who is both conservative (in believing that goverment should stay out of personal life decisions, including religion and sexuality)
and liberal (in believing that goverment, made up of many individuals joining forces together, can be effective in helping each other).

As a Christian, I am happy to express my faith at my church, at my home and through personal moments of reflection throughout the day. I do not feel my faith and/or right of religious expression is threatened if a court rules (correctly, in my view) that Christian-only religious observances have no place in a public school or on public property.

How, exactly, have religious organizations lost their freedom of speech?
I have seen no court rulings restricting the expression of religious views in church, at home or at a private school, private club or private place of business.

[EigthAv]

This is as good a place as any to fit this in.....
Merry Christmas to those who celebrate Christmas. Happy Holidays to everyone.
Peace on Earth,
Goodwill towards mankind.
Be Happy.:)

[eventerbess]

Well said Jerry. Labels are weird things. I know we have to declare a party to vote in primaries, and usually I don't know which one to declare.
Lively debate helps us define what we stand for and how best to acheive those ideals.
I just reread Iris Chang's book, Rape of Nanking. It triggered me reading the massive work Blood and Soil by Ben Keirnan which chronicles genocide across the world from the early forteenth century onward. It has made me reflective on those labels of liberal, conservative, and what nations do on the world stage. You hear all those polls, X% of liberals, democrats whatever favor whomever. How do they know who to poll?

[MyTonyaMyMichelle]

Well said Jerry. Labels are weird things. I know we have to declare a party to vote in primaries, and usually I don't know which one to declare.
Lively debate helps us define what we stand for and how best to acheive those ideals.
I just reread Iris Chang's book, Rape of Nanking. It triggered me reading the massive work Blood and Soil by Ben Keirnan which chronicles genocide across the world from the early forteenth century onward. It has made me reflective on those labels of liberal, conservative, and what nations do on the world stage. You hear all those polls, X% of liberals, democrats whatever favor whomever. How do they know who to poll?

I register as republican even though I'm a democrat. That way I can vote against the far-right conservatives in the primary. Then if they make it to the election, I vote against them AGAIN. Then I feel like I've done my job LOL.

[SnoopyAndWoodstock]

TO ALL LIBERALS:

The terrorists are NOT against Bush, but rather against America and other western civilizations. Do you all really think this war is going to end when Bush is out of office? I have a strong feeling that people may not like Bush now, but later in the future they will thank him. To leave Iraq would be a DISASTER. Sure, maybe going into Iraq would be a mistake... I do think we were right to go into the Middle East, but Iraq? Well, I'm not sure if we made the right decision there. To leave Iraq would leave the country in the hands of terrorists. The terrorists have been trying to take over the government- before and during the Iraq War- and when we leave by golly they'll try to take to the Iraq government again!

I'm not against Muslims, many Muslims are peaceful. There are over 1 billion people in the Muslim world, and 15% of them are RADICALS. THE RADICALS ARE THE DANGEROUS ONES. 15% IS EQUAL TO HALF THE SIZE OF THE AMERICAN POPULATION... AND THE SCARY FACT IS IS THAT THE RADICALS HAVE SPREAD THEMSELVES OVER THE WORLD.

WE ARE NOT THE ONES KILLING INNOCENT IRAQI CIVILIANS...
Iraqi civilians killed by terrorists: 2,067
Iraqi civilians killed by American troops: 23
(These figures are not up to date, but these were the figures the last time I checked).

With or without Bush, there will still be a war. It was coming right our way, and the presidents before Bush didn't do anything to stop it. There were many attacks on American embassies during the Clinton administration... they weren't on American soil but they were attacks nonetheless. DO YOU ALL THINK THAT THE TERRORISTS ARE MORE AGAINST BUSH THAN THEY WERE WITH CLINTON. NO!... BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, THEY'RE NOT AGAINST OUR LEADERS, BUT RATHER AMERICA.

We cannot make peace with the terrorists... sad, really sad. But true. If you want me to explain, then I'll gladly explain for you.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OF YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES... AND TO ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE.

[moxie]

Yes, Merry Christmas. And thanks for SHOUTING your rant at us.

[Lisa Seye]

Yes, Merry Christmas. And thanks for SHOUTING your rant at us.

You're too funny.
Merry Christmas to all.

[4dogknight]

Now this is not what I'd call a Republican - I'd call her a dedicated American public servant who cares about her constituency and doing the right thing!

Alaska Governor Shows Fearlessness (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ibHT3Yefs6Yaax9FxAgqri2lNc6gD8TPABBG0)


Alaska's first female governor, a former Miss Wasilla with swept-up light-brown hair, says it is her responsibility to be available even to fashion magazines if it can help change the state's reputation for graft and gluttony at the public trough.
"We've got to make sure the rest of the United States doesn't believe the only thing going on in Alaska is FBI probes and corruption trials," Palin said.
Palin has dismissed speculation she might leave Juneau for higher office before her term expires in 2010, saying, "My role as governor is where I can be most helpful right now unless something drastic happens, and I don't anticipate that right now."
Nevertheless, John J. Pitney Jr., a political scientist with Claremont McKenna College in California and former analyst for congressional Republicans, said Palin could be an ideal presidential running mate next year.
"What separates her from others is that at a time when Republicans have suffered from the taint of corruption, she represents clean politics," Pitney said.
"The public stereotype of Republican is a wrinkled old guy taking cash under the table," he said. "One way for Republicans to break the stereotype is with a female reformer."

4dk - American

[dec5]

Looks like Billary got their clocks cleaned by Obama....:lol

Even though I think he is a disaster politically....he gave Hillary her lunch tonight....:lol

I miss Thompson on the Republican side though.....I guess Romney is out best bet now.....Guliani is kinda shakey.

[probativev]

Wonder if Giuliani will get his clocks cleaned out too.....-

Why can't Ron Paul get more attention? And why is he running anyway?

[moskva]

alexa, what r u doing on the conservative thread? have u crossed over to the dark side on us? :-)

[probativev]

Moskva,

I'm a liberatarian like Bill Maher, so neither Dem or Repub is really my party. Between the two parties and their issues, I exercise my right as a woman to change my mind anytime.:P