What is your opinion about the theory that 9/11 was masterminded by Jews and do you know anyone who believes this theory?

[Lisa Seye]

I have just discussed this with someone very close to me and this person believes 9/11 was masterminded by Israel or Jewish people or Mossad to frame Muslims. Does anyone here believe this and if so can you show me why this belief is held by you or by those you know?
This seems insane to me, but I would like to hear opinions of others. This may help me understand why this person close to me believes this theory.

[EigthAv]

I don't believe it.I can see grounds for the theory.If Israel draws the USA into heavy middle eastern combat,then Israel isn't so all alone over there.

Didn't Bin Laden & Co happily claim responsibility?

Seeing it all unfold makes it easier to understand how Hitler & Co could minipulate so many minds around the World and get away with exterminating jews for as long as they did.This newer menace has even more potential for mayhem because they aren't giving anyone an obvious enemy to target.I can almost see modern Nazis and the modern kkk going to work with the demons who have bootlegged Islam for their own wicked motives.They all hate jews.

No,I believe 911 is exactly what it looked like.It wasn't a "jewish plot".

[Jayjen36]

I have heard some very weird stuff along these lines. I watched a documentary about some sort of manufactured Nazi propaganda that people for some unknown and idiotic reason still believe, even after it has long since been shown to be completely fraudulent. The damn thing made me so angry I could only stand to watch a little over half of it. So, no, the charge doesn't surprise me. It's sad, and frightening that I've heard it more than once. And I really don't see why anyone would believe it.

[ugogirl]

9/11 masterminded by Jews?

Not unless Osama Bin Laden was actually Jewish, in which case he had us all fooled, including all his idiotic minions a.k.a. jihadists.

:sarcastic

[aaronts]

there are so many theories out there. the one i'd tend to believe most is that the US govt. was either behind the attacks or allowed them to happen - knowing there'd be stronger (if not strong) support for getting into Iraq. the US has had many dealings w the Bin Ladens in the past & it'd be no surprise to me that this is what happened.

truth is, i wouldn't put anything past anyone~

[Krista]

Please. Masterminded by Jews? no. It was masterminded by the gov't to give us an excuse to go to war for oil. Haven't you heard?!?! (sarcasm)

[JerryStopher]

In an earlier time, Hitler would have thought up such a lie, and Henry Ford would have published it in his newspaper that was distributed through his dealer-network.

Alas, some gullible fools would have believed it.

(My reference above is described in Henry Ford and the Jews - the mass production of hate, written by Neil Baldwin, published by Public Affairs, New York.)

[Lisa Seye]

I appreciate the opinions of which I am in agreement of most of them. I checked out the michelle Malkin website which Mike posted earlier and there was a poll on regarding Muslim's beliefs that Arabs were behind the 9/11 attacks. Of those asked the majority said no. So do a majority of Muslims believe that the attacks were masteminded by Jews. It blows my mind if this is the case. Here is the link to her page. Scroll halfway down for the poll. I would like to find the data on this poll (where was it originally published)
http://www.michellemalkin.com/

[John King]

Were these the same Jews that pushed Humpty-Dumpty?

[Shallah]

you weren't by chance chatting with mel gibson when he was recently publically intoxicated? Unfortunatly it sounds like your friend is of this mistaken belief system that has come up with lies like this for years. some goes back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that published oh about a centuary ago to give people who hate jews something to blame on them. anti-semitism has a long a brutal history beyond what the nazis did. it is truely amazing what people can believe no matter what the facts show other wise. I am aquainted with a few people who spout off the most mind boggling nonsense (thankfully not seriously hateful like this, just boggling) with sincere belief. kind of like those who still believe the earth is flat. I am baffled by it but at least is is not sickening like this....

More seriously be very careful depending upon Malkin for any info. She is not known for her fact checking.

look up protocols of the elders of zion to get the gist of this particular piece of the spectum of hate. maybe the southern poverty law center might be helpful as they track hate groups active in the USA.

[Lisa Seye]

Thanks Shallah. I will look up this info. Mind boggling is definitely the word for this belief.
Apparently my friend believes it was a frame up so the U.S. would be even more against the countries who are against Israel.
My reply was "so Holocaust was masterminded by the Jews so the UN would feel bad and let them go to Israel in later years? COME on give me a break! Mindless and blind hatred will make one believe anything. There are even people who believe the Holocaust never happened." My friend said that of course Holocaust was not masterminded by Jews. I said "well why not, if you believe the 9/11 thing, it is just as preposterous."
I am glad you gave me some info to research. I would like to go back to the discussion with more knowledge. Of course I cannot change my friend's mind, but I can give my friend something to think about I hope.

[JerryStopher]

some goes back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that published oh about a centuary ago to give people who hate jews something to blame on them.
The Protocols were also published by Henry Ford in the Dearborn Independent.

[Shallah]

Yes, and then it was republished in book form along with a bunch of anti-semtic rantings from that newspaper. It is still being printed today:

The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem (Paperback)
by Henry Ford Sr.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0766178293/sr=8-1/qid=1155429597/ref=sr_1_1/002-0628305-6765651?ie=UTF8

Here is the book Jerry reccomended previously. If you have ever bought a book at Amazon you can read excerpts of this book by clicking on it:
Henry Ford and the Jews: The Mass Production of Hate (Paperback)
by Neil Baldwin "
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1586481630/sr=8-2/qid=1155429597/ref=sr_1_2/002-0628305-6765651?ie=UTF8

A review of that book in Business Week:
A Titan of Industry--and a Bigot
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_03/b3766025.htm


On the occasion of his 75th birthday, in 1938, Henry Ford received a medal, the Grand Service Cross of the Supreme Order of the German Eagle, from Adolf Hitler. Such was Hitler's regard for the carmaker that at one time he kept a portrait of Ford in his office and expressed his admiration in the second volume of Mein Kampf. Some of this sentiment had to do with Ford's automotive achievements, which the Fuhrer mimicked with a grand plan for German motorways filled with "people's cars--inspired by the American model." But autos aside, the two men also shared an idée fixe: that Jews were responsible for the evils of the world.

For much of the 20th century, Henry Ford was America's most notorious anti-Semite--something that's largely forgotten today. Neil Baldwin, executive director of the National Book Foundation and author of Edison: Inventing the Century, redresses that with Henry Ford and the Jews: The Mass Production of Hate. It is a provocative, carefully wrought history that is far from the diatribe suggested by its subtitle. Baldwin's publisher had proposed a full biography of Ford, who was an Edison protégé. But Baldwin could not set aside his distaste for Ford. Then came a major media event: the 1997 television broadcast of the Holocaust film Schindler's List, sponsored solely by Ford Motor Co. (F ) The irony of this sponsorship inspired Baldwin to write a book tightly focused on what he calls "an inadequately told story in American history."

(snip)

But Ford took anti-Semitism a step further than most of his contemporaries by personally stoking a powerful propaganda campaign. His chief instrument was The Dearborn Independent, an obscure Michigan weekly that Ford built into a national presence beginning in 1919. The publication carried news of the world, photo displays, and a variety of features. But even though Ford car dealers were required to meet a quota for subscription sales, the paper was $284,000 in the red by 1920 and circulation was languishing. Ford and his right-hand man, Ernest Liebold, resolved upon an "educational" campaign to build interest. Thus began a series of 91 successive articles slugged "The International Jew: The World's Problem."

The portrait that emerged there, says the author, "fit squarely into a thousand-year-old continuum of Jew hatred." It depicted a group of perpetual aliens, united by race and busy employing their financial sophistication to further a program of world domination. The series was collected and published as a book around the world, with notable success in Germany during the 1920s and '30s. The Dearborn Independent also reprinted The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, a document purporting to be a blueprint for Jewish world domination that was actually created in the 1890s by the Russian secret police.

[Lisa Seye]

Thanks again Shallah and Jerry and everyone. Please give me as much info as you find. I appreciate it and maybe my friend will one day appreciate it.

[Shallah]

I hope your firiend listens and thinks about what you say. Sometimes it is hard to get though to someone who gets wound up over an idea. Like I said before I have seen less severe versions of this. One person I knew that absolutly hated bill clinton was convinced that he made shampoo makers put salt in the shampoo to make people sick. you know the sodium lauryl sulfate stuff that has been in there for years and years and that isn't something you absorb through your skin and get high blood pressure from. nothing I could say diverted this person this bizare belief. reality is not necessary to sustain a belief especially when the person is predisposed by dislike for the subject.

[Shallah]

from southern poverty law center:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=158

'Reaping the Whirlwind'
Around the country, the far right reacts to September's terror with anti-Semitic hatred, threats and conspiracy theories

right leaners please note the above is in reference to the FAR right like aryan nation & neo-nazi who thought 9/11 was a good thing except it was islamic extremists doing the killing instead of their own group.

[bardtoob]

This is something I NEVER EXPECTED TO SEE on MICHELLE KWAN's FORUM.

[Lisa Seye]

Shallah,
I just finished reading "The Silent Brotherhood" about Bob Matthews and his group. He tried to bring together many of these neo-Nazi groups. His group, the Silent Brotherhood, assassinated Alan Berg, an outspoken Jewish talk show host who frequently spoke out against right wing groups such as these. Morris Dees, the leader and founder of the Southern Poverty Law Center, was next on their list. They robbed banks and one robbery of a Brinks armored truck netted them 3.8 million. They used the money to fund their activities (survival camps, training, ammo, guns, etc.) and gave a lot of money to these other kinds of groups such as Tom Metzger's groups, William Pierce's National Alliance, Aryan Nations, KKK, and others such as tax protesters (??) to try to bring them together as one group. They were also planning to hit major cities with terrorist acts. Los Angeles was their first target and they were only a few months away from hitting L.A. before the FBI caught many of the group and cornered Bob Mathews and eventually burned down the house he was holed up in. Many of the people in his groups began as mild mannered straight laced family members and had never committed any crimes. They found themselves sucked up into Mathews group because they all shared a common belief in pride in the white race.
Anyway, the book written by Kevin FLynn and Gary Gerhardt was a hard read but a fascinating look into these groups and the minds of some of these FAR right people. I wonder if I can talk my friend into reading it?

[Lisa Seye]

This is something I NEVER EXPECTED TO SEE on MICHELLE KWAN's FORUM.
I never expected to hear that someone actually believes this preposterous theory. As soon as I finished my mind blowing discussion with my friend, I had to come here and see if others could back me up and help me get over the shock.
My MKF :angel 's

[Jayjen36]

Interestingly enough I read about Ford's anti-Semitic propaganda not in any sort of historical account, but in a book of fiction by Kurt Vonnegut. It is shocking that something like that can remain hidden for so long. I wonder if many of the other things rumored about Ford and his actions against union organizers are true, I wonder where, or if I could find any information about it.

[4dogknight]

Do you believe 9/11 was masterminded by Jews?

What is it about that statement that makes me want to come out swinging, after I'm finished being sick to my stomach?

Could it be that this question, "Do you believe XXXX was masterminded by Jews" in some form or another is asked repeatedly throughout history? Or could it be that certain sections of the world's population answer the question Yes at the top of their lungs?

I am tired of it and the 'people' that believe and accept this twaddle. Throughout history the 'beautiful people' i.e., various and sundry popes, princes of the church, emperors, kings, politicians, folk heroes, captains of industry, all have uttered the famous question with the same end in sight: 'what's in it for me'. And it has nothing to do with religion.

They say that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat their mistakes. The way I see it from the title of this thread, is that we have learned nothing and that certain segments of the world’s population are doomed to ignorance – forever.

4dk - who clearly remembers when there was no state of Israel.

[aaronts]

i think it was a bold question, worded in an ignorant way. if anyone did think so, i doubt they'd respond that way here.

we might as well ask:

do you think blacks & latinos are lazy?

are asians taking over the computer industry & the world?

are all white southerners/midwesterners racist?


the questions force the obvious answer of no, unless you're just crazy. fortunately in this thread, posters got it right & actually gave the kind of responses that make a good thread. unfortunately, the question was asked because as a fact of matter, there are people who DO feel this way~

[moxie]

Lisa, as a way of showing your friend how ridiculous this question is, you might ask him/her just which Jews are being referenced. After all, there are many more Jews in the world than those who live in Israel (and not all Israelis are Jewish; some are Christian or Muslim), so when one tries to blame "the Jews" for 9/11, one is talking about a huge, diverse group that couldn't possibly have the same political and/or economic motivations for such a plot.

Now, one might consider the possibility that Israel had an interest in promoting a scenario that would give the U.S. administration an excuse to invade Iraq & bring down Saddam, but that is not at all the same as saying "the Jews caused 9/11."

As far as conspiracy theories go, it is far more likely that the administration knew a plot was in the works, but decided not to stop it because any terrorist attack in the U.S. that could be blamed on Muslims would pave the way for an invasion of Iraq. I still have a problem with Bush's "blank" reaction to the 9/11 news being whispered in his ear while he was reading to the school kids, and the fact that he continued reding for so many minutes. Someone truly surprised would had had to register some sort of reaction (even just a lifted eyebrow or a grimace of the lips); anyone else would have finished reading one page, then handed the book back to a teacher to continue reading the story (the little kids wouldn't have known the difference & wouldn't have been "frightened" by the change, as he claimed).

I am not saying that Bush planned 9/11 or that he intended 3,000 Americans to be killed (I think the destruction caused by the planes was far greater than even the planners envisioned). But I do think there is a possibility that the administration had an interest in allowing some sort of "incident" in the U.S., in the interest of the "greater good to our country" that would have resulted down the line. Not saying I believe this to be true, just that it's something to be considered.

[Lisa Seye]

aaronts how should I have worded the question? or how would you word the question if it was something you really wanted to know knowing full well you would not get any affirmative answers? That is exactly what I thought after discussing this with my friend and it was asked so boldly because my mind was blown by the very idea. The question was not asked because this is what I believe. I wanted the support of the other posters to back me up which is what I ended up with. And you are right, if anyone believed that they would no respind so in this thread. I discovered this from my close friend inadvertently and would have never thought they had this theory as one of their beliefs. If someone did believe this, it would be great if they could have the "courage of their convictions" to tell me so and explain why. But obviously they must know it is wrong which is why no one talks of it. Which then points out that if it is so wrong to talk about then on some level it must be wrong to believe.
4dogknight, I now believe there are certain sections of our population that will always point the finger of blame on Jews or on Israel. A wake up call for me. I hope you read more than my question which shows that I DEFINITELY DO NOT believe this preposterous theory.
My apologies for my "ignorant wording" but as I said my mind was in shock at the time just thinking that someone I am close to would actually believe this rot.

[4dogknight]

4dogknight, I now believe there are certain sections of our population that will always point the finger of blame on Jews or on Israel. A wake up call for me. I hope you read more than my question which shows that I DEFINITELY DO NOT believe this preposterous theory.

Lisa, my wakeup call came in elementary school when I told my father what I had learned about Benedict Arnold in school. My father very quietly asked if I really believed Arnold was a traitor. I said that was what was in the book and the teacher said so too but there was something about the events that didn’t seemed quite right.

The following Saturday my dad took me to the public library and had me look up a number of books and assorted articles on Benedict Arnold. By the time I finished reading, I was left with the sense of wondering why Arnold hadn’t changed sides earlier or at the very least grabbed Gates by the throat. But the biggest lesson I learned was to trust my instincts and get myself to a library or in today’s environment, the Internet to research the matter.
There are other things that don’t bother most people but make my blood boil; the “wonderfulness” of Richard I of England, the betrayal of the Knights Templar and don’t even get me started on the Tudors, any of the crusades, the defamation of Richard III, most of the ‘stuff’ taught in our schools about the Seven Years war (French & Indian), the American Revolution as a whole and “Manifest Destiny” regarding the westward migration.

You weren’t wrong or ignorant to question what the person close to you told you. It didn’t sound quite right so you decided to investigate. Good for you! You didn’t just blindly nod your head and say nothing; you decided to find out for yourself. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if more people did just that – thought for them selves?

4dk

[Lisa Seye]

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if more people did just that – thought for them selves?

4dk

You can say that many times over. Children are taught this kind of stuff and some never question it. Hatred is also taught to children and some never question it. It is just blind. We should all be more responsible for researching things for ourselves. Anyway, thanks for the postings. I appreciate them.

[aaronts]

Lisa,

i wasn't calling you ignorant. it's obvious enough to me that you don't share that belief. but the question could have been worded better - & apparently it has been ;-)

like i said, as much as people can come here & question "why is this on the MKF?", the fact remains that there are people who do believe this sort of propaganda....for whatever reason.

there is a book "Anatomy of Prejudices" by Elizabeth Young-Bruehl that is quite eye opening. i've had my own theories on prejudice "levels", & she really takes on the challenge of sifting thru analysis that made a light go off in my head. BINGO!! it's a great read & gets into the basis of this type of idiotic anti-jew thinking - obsession. my ex was taught by Young-Bruehl & she had a profound affect on him.

here are 2 links (one is from Amazon & the other is a review from Harvard University Press):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674031911/103-0745169-2621410?v=glance&n=283155

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/YOUANP.html?show=reviews

[EigthAv]

Aaronts,there are still people around who blame all our ills on "the blacks"....... then others who say the Asians are to blame.Still others who call us......the USA,"Great Satin".

Folk lorists would have us believe that Bonnie & Clyde and the James Gang were heroes and champions of the poor. That the law who ended their careers were "the bad guys". In reality,they were cold blooded killers and theives.It is little wonder to me how modern day spin doctors can continue to blame the jews whilst other spin doctors paint the likes of Hezbollah,Hamas & Co as romantic freedom fighters.The beat goes on.

[Lisa Seye]

Aaronts thanks for the links. This book sounds very eye opening. I may have to give it a read. I wonder if it is in my local library. I will check there fist before buying. Thanks I appreciate it. Then again I may buy it and after I read it, give it to my friend! ;-)

[EigthAv]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/08/16/cnnpce.bin.laden/

The link is to CNN's documentary,"In the Footsteps of Bin Laden". The programme was on CNN tonight and airs again over the weekend.Check it out.

[Pianofan]

I do NOt believe this theory at all, it's another antiSemitic plot, frankly I wonder who could take this seriously.

Maybe you mean the politics of the U.S and Israel have provoked a reaction from the Al Quaida 's extremists ? I think it is one of the elements but I doubt very much these fanatics want to protect the Palestinians, I think their leaders want more power.If they cared about the Palestinian People they would help them but not by encouraging them to hurt Israel.

I am not a supporter of the US foreign policies and I oppose many of Israel's actions against the Palestinians, but please let's be serious !

[Lisa Seye]

Mike I would love to see the CNN show but here in the middle of nowhere (where i currently live) there is no cable and we get a total of two channels. Ugh! So if anyone wants to put it in downloads, I would love to see it.

[Sparks]

Still others who call us......the USA,"Great Satin".
The Great Satin?
I prefer to be known as The Great Cotton. ;)

[Lisa Seye]

The Great Satin?
I prefer to be known as The Great Cotton. ;)

:lol :lol :lol